ok so im thinking of paper mill industries for my next bigger layout. Im needing ideas on whats all involved in paper industry. 1st i know i need a paper plant , pulp wood plant, logs plant, possibly Kaolin tanks for paper mill,lumber yard , saw dust facility, various conveyors ,,,what am i missing ,could add to that ect. my plan was going to be a lot of different other things ,but ive been thinking of paper mills and so i want to use my layout that ive planned for different industries but now want to build just plants that service paper mill type industries . I hope all this makes sense as im not good at explaining things. current plan in pic builds just ignore them as there not going to be relevant . im hoping to gat as much industries as i can pertaining to paper and its industry's. layout might could be lager at some point in time i dunno yet. currently 7foot x 12 foot might could expand to 9 foot x 12 foot... ideas please . ive never built a layout for just one type of industry. i know that it might take more room than i have available but i can cheat here an there im sure. like half buildings up against a wall ect. Thank you for any inputs / ideas........at this time track planning can and will change as needed......
I know nothing about producing paper but love the overall plan and will be following along. Similar to what you want to do I'm basically designing my layout around three things, coal mine complex, saw mill and a fairly large yard at the edge of a town. I think your plan of one major industry that has to be supported by smaller ones is a good concept. Sumner A couple quick links that I looked at that are interesting and might provide some ideas: https://www.idahoforests.org/content-item/how-paper-is-made-2/ https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=how+paper+is+made ....................................................................................................................
Adjacent to the millsite woodyard, you'll need a slasher deck to cut longwood into shorter sections, a debarking drum, then a conveyor into a chipper. Newer mills dispense with the slasher deck and use a tree-length debarking drum. Older mills had flumes where shortwood would be raked off from woodrack cars. Perhaps you'll want to receive wood chips too. Wood chips aren't saw dust, but are roughly the size of your palm. Paper isn't made from sawdust. Bark, bark grit and slasher deck dust are recovered and fed into a power boiler. You may wish to receive coal and/or fuel oil to feed your power boiler. You'd likely receive sulfuric acid and caustic soda for the pulping process; these are then fed into a recovery boiler for reuse. Some mills receive "black liquor" by tank car to augment recovery boiler inputs. Kaolin and/or chlorine dioxide would be inputs at white paper mills, but not at brown mills where linerboard is produced. Alum could be another tank car input. Tank cars of turpentine would occasionally be included in outbound loads, in addition to boxcars of finished product. Hope this helps.
Thank you sumner and Hardcoaler just the ideas im searching for. ill save these ideas and research on this to see how i would line them up around the layout. ive been looking for other's layouts with similar ideas so i can get how it all works out. paper mill just got me thinking about the whole layout with this one plan with paper wood and how it all comes to together.. i can print most all the buildings when the time comes. but i would really like to have a good sense of how it all works first then i can build a plan and start saving up materials as i go.... Thank Y'all .
i dunno i have not had that inter my mind . i would imagin it could be part of the wood chipping or grinding what ever they do to the wood part of that industry. ill have to look into that as well maybe someplace town folk can go get supplies. Thank you
Likely a stupid question, but are covered coil (steel, etc.) cars ever used to ship rolls of paper? It sure seems like it would save labor compared to smaller rolls shipped in box cars. Maybe the paper rolls are not big enough to effectively ship via coil cars (because they currently have to fit in box cars and through their doors on a forklift.) While the end-state of using coil cars and larger paper rolls may be advantageous, getting there may be a hill to steep to climb.
No, the entire industry is designed around specific roll sizes, forklift loading with roll clamps and customer ability to receive. Dependning on roll diameter, height and grade, the average boxcar might have 20 rolls of paper in it, with rolls set on their ends with a lading weight of 120,000 LBS.. You'd likely not get even half that in a coil car, even assuming that the rolls could be somehow loaded on their sides and unloaded without damage.
well doggone paper mills are large hahah here is a start of some kinda plan. tell me what y'all think , things to change , things to kill off, maybe adding or replacing and ideas very much welcomed at this point. im struggling a bit with the plan. ive been reading looking at thousands of pics and others plans, in fact some of this was part of somebody else's plan that i kinda incorporated and omitted a few things , moved them around a bit ect. im thinking forest on one end and a town of sorts on the side. might could spot a oil Derrick in there on a corner im thinking. end goal is paper mill and all that can be included with that industry. i have no particular time frame but prob 60s and up. some building's of today are 75 years old or older....
Looks good but I don't really know anything about paper mills and what you need and how they carry out operations. You have two sidings by the parking area by the paper mill. To me it looks like if you want to move a car from there into the mill or the other way around you would have to take it all the way back to the main yard to run around it. Above I moved things around a bit so that there is a run-around track by the mill also. Maybe it isn't needed but might not hurt to put one in that area. This is going to be an interesting build so thanks for taking the time to keep us in the loop, Sumner
humm ill give it a go sumner Thank you. ill move a few things..... sure is a lot of stuff for paper mill . ive got to figger out the buildings too so i can print them once i get this sorted out an have building where they need to be.
You can shrink the size of your paper mill by not including a powerhouse, woodyard or pulp mill. A smaller mill could omit these by receiving baled pulp in boxcars. When mixed with water in a hydrapulper, baled pulp turns to pulp and is ready to feed to a paper machine.
Thanks hardcoaler. i like the forklift thing. i think i want all the building including the powerhouse ect. as i have some files to print up for the trans former's ect. Ive been working on trees so i have not changed the plan yet. Ill keep your idea hanging around my brain just in case i change my mind though. (witch by the way happens a lot ) I do like the fork lift. maybe ill try to print one up and test the waters....
decided to print a conveyor belt to see if i could print one an WALA i think it printed very well. now i need to mod it a bit.. im going to need two of them one i need to make a half barrel for the covering. that should be easy print.
Worked in paper mills for 20 years so ask away. It realy depends how detailed you want to be. Simplist would indeed be to basically eliminate the wood yard. To be realistic most paper mills have huge wood storage (wet and dry), huge chip piles, etc etc. You usually conveyor your chips over to the pulp mill so plan on that. Also they have huge powerhouses as they burn the bark and produce their own energy but you don't have to do that and could just do a mill itself. Still need some pretty beefy structures on the pulping side (digestors, black and green liquor strage, etc, etc) or you simply act like that is "off layout" ( or have a fully recycled mill) and start with pulp bins and then paper machines out to rail. Again really depends how much room and how realistic you want to be. The one thing you will need is a river. All paper mills use tons of water and need a clean water source very close. You should totoally do a chip unloader for cool factor https://www.drax.com/sustainable-bioenergy/this-is-how-you-unload-a-wood-chip-truck/
Thanks Keith. i had a school best friend named Keith. i need all the ideas i can get so that im pretty set on what all is needed or wanted. seems to be a very large system ...i may need to eliminate some stuff , dunno till i get it all planed out. Ive seen those wood chip dumpers before in a small town called mendota in calif. they have a power plant there that uses that same system ... it was built way back in my 20's fror power they said but they didnt quite explain what it was to power . now i know its been planned for that dang train they are building but now it seems even more sinister in that its for future electric cars and trucks...... sneaky buggers they are .........
