Would anybody happen to have any info pertaining to SP&S MoW equipment and what markings it may have worn. I ordered a pair of MTL heavyweights I was planning on using on an MoW train and after watching the "8mm vintage film of the SP&S video part 1" on youtube, posted by Wesolint. There was an RS3 powered MoW train consisting of a 250 Ton Crane, Boom car, steam engine tender, a couple flat cars, and a trio of heavyweights in a brow or red scheme.
There are some photos in a couple of the books. I took a slide or two, wherever those are hidden these days. There is a crane and boom car at the Northwest Railway Museum up in Snoqualmie. Plus, I know a couple of those guys are SP&S fans....
I will get the SP&S guide to freight and Pass. equipment soon, so I can start a fleet... or something. I should probably get a decal printer while I'm at it... wonder how much those go for. So far for my SP&S/Fictional BN MoW train I do have the BN SP&S heritage boxcar, and a BN Scale car. If MTL would kindly release more heavyweights of every car type(Baggage, RPO, Coach, more sleepers, diner, more observation cars) it'd be a real help. at about 5 minutes is when the RS3 and MOW train shows up. [video=youtube;ysftVhAEJnc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysftVhAEJnc[/video]
Tichy a good crane and flat car that is very close to SP&S x-5. The MOW were mostly painted red, had only small SP&S then MOW followed with the X- number. The old passenger heavyweight cars, were an old diner, coach, couple X baggage cars that were with the wreck crew. X 11 was a 250 ton Industrial brownhoist, painted black and had just its number if I remember right. SP&S historical society had two editions just on MOW equipment. I know that they still had copies availible, very good photos and info.
The video footage is a real trip back. Makes me think of my grade school days along an NP branch line.
If you get the color guide, it has a fair bunch of photos of MOW equipment. As OregonTrunk states, the Tichy crane and tender are a good representation of X5, although the Tichy kit is a 120 ton crane and X5 was a 75 ton. The x5 is the crane at Snoqualmie. The Tichy outfit cars are also a good match for SP&S equipment. There were actually quite a few old heavyweights in the MOW fleet. I did a MOW SP&S train with a crane, crane tender, steam tender, several outfit cars, a couple of old wood boxcars, an old 40ft flatcar, a dozer tender, and one heavyweight car. It isn't totally prototypical, but it captures the essence, and I like it.
Wish I could find my slides of the X-5 at Snoqualmie. I took them before we did some cleanup work on it, must have been about 25 years ago now.
#750, That video is very cool. Notice the RS unit is painted in as delivered scheme with the solid yellow sill. MOW is a great part of the hobby. Most of mine were modeled from the color guide also. It is a great reference. Most of the lettering was pretty simple. There was a MOW decal set put out by a smaller company, but out of stock now. I am afraid you will be better off printing your own decals. Here are a couple custom builds. I prefer the one of a kind. Someday soon I want to attempt the twin cupola flanger. I have a old MR issue in which someone modeled an O scale version. Rick
Thanks for the responses, I plan on getting the guide and I will seek info from the SP&SHS. Thank goodness I post here, where there are SP&S fans by the ton! My two heavyweights will be coming with a sanding tower ad drying house kit, I have two cars already set for MoW service(three if you count SP&S caboose #722 which will serve on the MoW train) the BN/SP&S 40 boxcar MTL did is one car, the other is a BN scale car since I'm modeling a fictional BN where the roads only merged on paper. I have two questions, Would the Bachmann 250 ton crane serve as a good stand in(It looks similar to the crane in the video) and which flat type would serve as a good MoW car a fishbelly or straight sill?
The Bachmann crane would be a good 250 ton crane to use........but it's a steam crane. I can't remember what era you are doing, but the crane was built in 1947 and converted to Diesel in 1967. The tender used after the conversion was a converted boxcar, so it was straight sided. Most of the crane tenders had compartments underneath between the trucks to store the wood used under the jacks for leveling the crane. I used the Tichy tender http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tichy-N-Sca...850097?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item58a08f0731 which has a "box" underneath which I cut to give me 2 compartments per side. I filled them with various sizes of lumber and left the "shed" off. You can see the compartments in the diagram Oregon Truck posted. The tenders for the steam cranes had the water tanks and bunks off of steam loco tenders mounted to them (also shown in Oregon Trunks pics)
MRL I'm modeling a 1964- to a what if BN where they merged on paper. I'd rather a diesel over steam, as I'd need to buy a tender. Thanks, OT!
X-10 was a 100 ton Industrial work crane with X-25 Water and blocking car Blt 4/40 Vanc. flatcar 3000 gal. water tank. to BN 1970, conv. from steam 9/70 scrapped 83 X-11 was 250 ton Industrial Brownhoist #11645 Blt 4/45 conv. from steam to diesel 6/67 to BN 1970, renumbered D-254 in 1973 X-12 tool & blocking car ( reblt 6/43 from NP 13815) 41' flat W/side rails Andrews trucks
MOW cranes X-5 75 ton Indust. works 1910, to BN1970, X-24 30 ton Browning loco. crane new 6/43 to Bn 1970 X-23 21 ton Browning loco crane destroyed in derailment Yellowpit 9-42 Burro cranes X-35 blt 7/34 model 30, X-37 7 1/2 ton Burro crane gas blt 5/42 oper with X-111 mount car, X-183 bunk car, X-121 tool car sold 1959 X-38 7 1/2 ton Burro crane gas blt 11/44 to BN X-39 7 1/2 ton Burro crane gas blt 11/44 all burro cranes are Cullen- FriestedtTo Bn X-35 model 30 gas 7 1/2 ton new 6/34 sold 4/51 oper with X-19 mount car, X-411 outfit car former bussiness car B-500 ( does'nt match 1952 roster)
X-11 it is then, until I build my dream layout a small single crane train with a couple cars will work. The only problem now is that the sleepers have a different window shape than the MOW cars. I wonder if the rivarossi's will make a good stand in or project start.
The list of coaches that were MOW is huge. I bet I can find a MOW that fits what you have. Remeber they were given the leftovers from the parent companies.
From the roster in 1952.... X-421 coach 70' wood passenger- no windows X-427 coach (ex O.E) Niles car co. 1908- 62' X-435 Baggage (ex O.E) St Lois car co 1913 -62' X-443 Baggage (smith and Barney) 1912 reblt from #89 70' wood car X-445 Coach Pullman 1908-09 70' wood- also X446 thru X449 and 456 thru 465 X-542 coach Smith and Barney 1909 70' wood X-453 coach Smith and Barney 1909 70' wood X-469 Observation Pullman 1908 80' wood ld #550 X-470 Obs (Smith and Barney) 1912 80' wood ld #554 thru #557 X-475 combine -Old #1101 72' X-476 Kitchen car reblt from #110- 70' wood Smith and Barney 1912 X-477 kitchen car rbt from #221- 70' wood Smith and Barney X-478 coach Smith and Barney 1912 70' ood - also X-480,482 thru 486,494,496,497 X-888 Diner Smith and barney 1912 72' wood X-489 Baggage old #51,52 &50 80' wood also X-511 & X-510 X-490 baggage old #94,93 &92 70' wood also X 506 & X-509 X-491 coach ld #215- 78' wood X-492 combine ld #25 thru #28- 70' wood X-500 supply car ld#30 &37- 70' combine with bunks, tables & kitchen X501 supply car old #30 &37 70' combine with bunks, tables & kitchen X502 coach ld #775,756&758 65' wood with dining facilities --also X-503,504 X-503 Diner/ sleeper old # 172 rblt 1952 80' wood X-508 baggage ld #53 &54- 70' wood also X-512 X 513 Bunk car : old #270,271,&285 80' wood also X-514,515 X-531 Caboose (blt by GN 1930) old #736 conv to MOW 10/51 25' wood car X 532 caboose (old 716 conv.Mow 10/51 35' wood car X-533 caboose (blt so. tacoma shops 1910) old #728 conv.to MOW 10/51 30' wood X-534 caboose (old #711) conv. MOW at vanc. 9/20 33' wood x-535 cabooose ( old 751) blt. GN 1930 conv.@ Vanc 10/51 25' car and about 100 outfit cars conv fron boxcars with arch bar trucks, truss rods and a few outside brace cars from GN and NP
OT, That is a huge list to model from. Great information! With N scale the selection of rolling stock for MOW conversion is pretty limited. Those old arched windows are almost impossible to find. There were some old brass car side kits if you can find them on Ebay with the arched windows. MT has yet to come out with a single window coach, but hopefully soon. With paint and decals a close representation can be made. I modeled the X-530 from an old Rapido caboose. I took off the roof walks and closed up the end cupola windows with siding material. I should have corrected the window arraignment and couplers, but again its just a representation. I will go all out next time as this was sold to a friend. I just wish I had more time to due some modeling. My MOW fleet is on hold due to the layout work. The Meet N March is the end of this month and I need to get ready for an open house visit. I am attempting to have some scenery work done by then. #750, are going to make it down to Portland for this N scale meet? Three layout tours and a fun swap. Rick
WHen's the portland one? I will be in CHehalis, Wa. for the Swap meet and train show there on the 29th and 30th.
